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Q Things change over time, don’t they, Mr.
Oliver?

A I believe things do change.

Q Policies change over time, don’t they?

A No, they don’t.

Q Any that you’re aware of?

A I have never seen a policy change since L. Ron
Hubbard passed.

Q Now, you are on the outside, right?

A Even when I was. Hubbard died in 1985, I
believe.

Q Mr. Oliver, that is not my question. You are
on the outside looking in from 1992 to the year 2000. In
those eight years you haven’t been involved in the
internal workings or policy decisions of the Church of
Scientology?

A No, I have not.

MR. TYSON: That’s all I have, Judge.
Judge, I’d ask that he not be declared an expert. It has
been eight years since he has had any dealing with the
internal policies at work with Scientology.

THE COURT: Ms. Rivellini, do you want to
respond to that?

MS. RIVELLINI: Judge, based on Mr.

Oliver’s answer to the prosecutor’s question that