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A Yes, that’s correct. And to work with current
Scientologists here in Clearwater who have the goal of
reforming from inside the organization, but they don’t
have the political power within the organization to do
that. They realize that they need external help to
reform this organization’s deceptive and abusive
practices. And they have come to me to help them, and
the organization that I helped set up here.

Q Let me stop you here. Does that organization
have a name?

A Yes, it is called the Lisa McPherson Trust.

Q Did that involve someone, the death of a
Scientology member by that name?

Q Is that who it was named after?

A Yes, it was in honor of Lisa Mcpherson, who was
a young woman who was thirty-six years old. She spent
eighteen years or so of her life in Scientology. She
ended up being --

I don’t mind Mr. de Vlaming asking some of his questions,
but he is testifying --

BY MR. DENIS DE VLAMING:

Q The organization that you started for the