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Kartuzinski. I never delivered any of them. I left them on a shelf.
Q.
Okay. Just like the police department, the
Church has their hierarchy or what we call in the
police department chain of command. You do, too, so I
am from the Navy and that’s how we did it with the j
Navy. You are assigned to this watch.

A.
Yes.
Q.
Okay, can you give me the chain of command
for you?

A.
There really wasn’t one. It was not that
completely unusual, other than getting it organized
enough that she had stable people there with her; people who would -- like, knew her or knew what was
going on and would follow through. It wasn’t that well organized. I can tell you who I looked to for help.
Q.
Okay.
A.
Janis.
Q.
Janis Johnson?
A.
I would ask her questions if I needed
something, I turned to her, and also Alain Kartuzinski.
Q.
Okay. I noticed in reading your reports, and
this is my opinion just in reading the reports, you
tell me whether I am wrong or right, in reading your
reports, it felt to me that you were answering to


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