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Q.
You gained that information through either
Emma or--

A.
I think it was from Emma, very honestly. She
would, from time to time, inform me of things like

that.
/
Q. So in your circle of responsibility here, you
don’t have contact with Mr. Kartuzinski?

A.
I worked in a division where he also worked.
Q.
Okay.
A.
We were not in the same department.
Q.
Okay.
A.
He was not my supervisor. I was not his.
Q.
Okay. So you did not assist him in any way
really?

A.
Not particularly. He -- if he needed or if
anyone needed someone to assist on a public matter, if
it was
—- I mean, sometimes I knew about it. Very
usually I did not, but sometimes I did.

Q.
Were you aware that Mr. Kartuzinski was the
senior for Lisa -— Lisa Mcpherson’s senior? Were you
aware of that?

A.
That he was the supervisor ——
Q.
Right.
A.
—— of her? Yes, I was. I mean, he, for his
job position, was for any person that was there,


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