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church, and your position there?
 
A Absolutely, they wouldn’t be pleasant.
 
Q Have you actually seen for yourself people who
have been disciplined by the church?
 
A Yes, I have talked to individuals who have been
disciplined by the organization.
 
Q Is there an understanding on how the law and
the court system is to be used by Scientology?
 
A It’s just another tool that is used to harass
individuals, and if the individual doesn’t have money and
you really want to get somebody you can bankrupt somebody
in a court.
 
Q
Is that commonly done?
A
Yes, it is.
Q
What about the criminal law system?
A
Anything they have to do.
Q
And that’s actually taught to you?
A
Yes.
MS. RIVELLINI: Judge, if I can have a moment.
 
THE COURT: You may.
BY MS. RIVELLINI:
Q
Mr. Oliver, I asked you previously if you had a
chance to watch the films and see the pickets that Mr.
Minton was involved in?

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