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and talking with Jesse.

Q Okay, I am going to identify Offman in a
minute. Is that the one that is going to be, for lack of
a better term, yelling at you, or in your face?

Q And who was the one holding the video camera at
the end? What is his name?

A His name is Kevin Hall.

Q What is he in the Church of Scientology, do you
know?

A Well, he is a minister, but he’s OSA, he is in
charge of their department for dealing with psychiatric
groups. He heads a up the activities of a group called
CCHR, which is Citizens Commission on Human Rights, which
is Scientology main group to attack psychiatry, which
they feel is one of their major enemies.

take the next segment.

(Whereupon, the videotape was played for
the jury.)

BY MR. DENIS DE VLAMING:

Q Okay, now in particular in that segment, the
Black man, what is his name?

A Jesse Prince.

Q Is he a member of the Lisa McPherson Trust, or