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does he somehow do some work for them?
 
A Yes, he does. He was formerly the number two
man in the Church of Scientology worldwide.
 
Q And now he is on?
 
A On the board of the Lisa McPherson Trust.
 
Q In that segment we see this man, what appears
to be, and the video will speak for itself, blocking Mr.
Offman?
 
A
Yes.
Q What was going on at that point in time? What
was Offman trying to do at that time?
 
A Well, Offman had been right at me, and yelling
and screaming, and you know Jesse could see that Offman
was getting really heated there. He was trying to keep
him away from me.
 
(Whereupon, the videotape was played for
the jury.)
 
BY MR. DENIS DE VLAMING:
 
Q
The walking backwards --
A
Yes.
Q
As you are walking forwards -—
A
Yes.
Q
Okay. How did that occur, and what
significance on your state of mind as far now bringing it
to Clearwater did that have on you?

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